The difference between living by democratic principles in all areas of life, including…

The difference between living by democratic principles in all areas of life, including economic, and what we have.

In places where people are able to have a say, they say they want better wages, benefits, good schools, good roads, parks, a clean environment, safety standards, and things like that. In places where people do not have a say, they are told they can't have better wages, benefits, good schools, good roads, parks, a clean environment, safety standards, and things like that.

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The Real Question: Why Don't People Make Enough to Pay Income Taxes?
Mitt Romney was caught on video complaining that 47% of us don't make enough to pay taxes, believe they are victims, are dependent on government, etc. The right question is why do so many of us make s…

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  1. Chris Anderson says:

    That is a good question.   No doubt the  answer can be  traced back to some republican cutting the minimum wage (was it Reagan?)  

  2. Theo Fenraven says:

    My hourly salary hasn't gone up in ten years. No matter where I work or what I do, it's crappy. THAT'S why some people don't pay income taxes. They simply don't make enough money. Want us to pay? PAY US BETTER.

  3. Chris Anderson says:

    Yet I bet most other things have gone  up a lot in that time eh +Theo Fenraven ??

  4. Theo Fenraven says:

    Oh, yeah. Gas for a big one. Food for another. 

  5. John Poteet says:

    Mitt's greatest success; shutting down thousands of mom and pop office supply stores in business districts and forcing every other business to send a staff member to the edge of town twice a month to get cheaper, but lower quality stuff that used to be delivered by the place around the corner. 

  6. Chris Dyer says:

    We Aren't a Democracy and we aren't Capitalist.  Without Government Intrusion the people of our Country could have a Truly Free Market and and Very few Taxes.  Our Constitution as Written Clearly spells this out.  

  7. Gurudatta Raut says:

    why wait for people to pay taxes ?

    tax on goods sold only, since every person who works works on something thats ( mostly ) sold.

    SO Why go one step more to collect the same money after its paid to employees, collect the money when its generated by sales, that will be also cheaper on the tax collection offices and more reliable.

  8. Theo Fenraven says:

    There are many reasons why this won't work. First of all, the US doesn't make much anymore. Those jobs went overseas and while there is locally-made stuff, it doesn't amount to much. Also, the IRS is huge, and its offshoot business (H&R Block, accountants, et al who do your taxes for you for a price) would collapse, putting thousands, maybe millions out of a job. Finally, the once formerly glorious middle class are now teetering on the edge and have less money to spend on 'stuff.' 

  9. Chris George says:

    The only way to win is to not play.

    All of these people who do not make enough to pay taxes are trying real hard to make enough to pay taxes. Which simply perpetuates the system. If we spent half as much energy on trying to avoid the system entirely it would implode under its own weight.

    But that takes planning and forethought and sacrifice. None of which are very popular concepts in our society.

  10. Theo Fenraven says:

    Individuals can play their part. I, for one, have dropped out of the consumer business. I no longer buy things just to buy things. Withdrawal was involved. I'd go months and months doing just fine and then find myself in a store like Office Max or Home Depot for something necessary and go nuts! Media had trained me: SEE, WANT, BUY. It is a legitimate sickness instilled in us by advertisers and a country that can only work if people buy stuff. (Right there, you're talking stupid as shit.) 

    But I got better. I made a point to do so. Now when I go into such stores, I still want things but I walk out only with what I came to get. Like any addiction, you can kick it. 

    If everyone made a point to buy within their means, drop out of the consumer culture, it would be so much better! Better for you and for the environment. Put that extra money you would have wasted on garbage into your own retirement fund. Stop relying on a bankrupt government to collect money for you. Given the current state of things, I suggest coffee cans buried in the back yard.

  11. Gurudatta Raut says:

    LOL, seems like no one quite understands my posts and comments, BUT THE TRUTH IS I AM NOT GONA STOP FOR OR BY YOU BABOONS.


  12. Chris George says:

    +Theo Fenraven _Put that extra money you would have wasted on garbage into your own retirement fund._

    I thought of that. Then I realized that it is not a problem of deciding what to buy and not buy. It is not a problem of outflow. It is a problem of income. By earning more than required for needs you perpetuate the system through income taxes and the need to invest excess income. Taxes pay for all sorts of wonderful things like banker bonuses, drones, missiles, oil company profits etc. etc. Excess earnings, when invested in bonds support much of the same. When invested in equities, much of the same. Converted into hard assets on land that you "own" outright (land taxes beg the question of who owns land) are an option but most will never consider it as such.

    We started by evaluating what we need to supply food and shelter and then matched income accordingly. This is how you truly chop the supports out from under. Will it ever be a mass movement? No. The current system panders to our monkey minds with shiny things, "mine, mine, mine" and our inbuilt desire to compare what we "have" with how little our neighbour "has". To be the neighbour by choice is far beyond what most people are capable of. Everyone I talk to about this approach (Intentional Poverty) thinks it is insane.

    So why are we so much more happy with our lives now then we ever were when we were full players in the materialist dream?  

  13. Theo Fenraven says:

    I have done exactly that: matched my income to my needs. I make far less now, but I also need a lot less. The taxes I pay this year may well be the lowest I ever have, and next year, I'll beat that by hitting rock bottom. Heh. 

    Yesterday, I visited friends I hadn't seen in eight years. The first thing they said was, "You look so happy!"

    And I am. :) I continue to cull 'things' out of my life, paring my life down to essentials in every way possible. It works for me.

  14. Chris George says:

    +Theo Fenraven It works for us, a family of four living in one of the richest countires on the planet.

    We have lost contact with a lot of old friends and family as we aren't shy about talking about it. But we are making new friends and some of our family "get it". I think a big part of the shunning came from their realization that we were average in every way before we started down this path, showing them what is possible if you have the will to make the changes.

    Money does not equal happiness. Things do not equal happiness. The more we try to make it so, the less happy we become.

  15. Gurudatta Raut says:

    bloody looser, the 99% baboons, rightfully crushed and blood suckled, shameless retards.

  16. Theo Fenraven says:

    I smell a troll. :sniff: Yup. :ignores:

  17. Theo Fenraven says:

    +Chris George The most important thing I gained by gearing down income was time. I now have a lot more of it. Instead of slaving away in an office, working up road rage during the commute, my work time is now flexible and I have more time for MY life rather than someone else's. My writing has improved as a direct result.

  18. Chris George says:

    +Theo Fenraven Time is the most valuable thing any of us possess  We cannot purchase more of it no matter how much money we may have lucked into. Once used, we can never get it back. We cannot buy quality. It has always struck me as insane that we use the time that is the most valuable to us, the time when we are young and full of possibility, to pursue the chimera of materialism, seeking safety and comfort in large bank accounts and lots of shiny things. We toil for the benefit of others until the magical day when we can "retire". Then we get to live our life, we think. Except then is when we are the least equipped to enjoy our time. Our bodies are old and tired and falling apart, our mindsets ossified, our possibilities narrowed.

    We have found what we love to do, it took me 50 years to figure it out. No one in their right mind would pay me a dime to do it. So we found ways to make it work for us.

    Today I dig a hole to bury an old dog. We got him from the pound and gave him the best life we could. We spent more time with him in the past four years than his previous owner did in his first eight. Twelve years may not seem like much, but his time with us was good time, spent on a farm with ponds and streams and fields instead of his former life in the city, with fences and pavement and concrete. It is time to spend in what makes us happy that we should be pursuing.

  19. Theo Fenraven says:

    Absolutely! Chasing the almighty dollar is a waste of the finite time we have. And you're right about frittering our youth away on things that essentially don't matter. We should be traveling and seeing and doing, not working 40+ hours a week. 

    Once you see how things have been rigged against you, how TPTB have stolen time from you, anger never quite goes away. It's always there, simmering under the surface. Most puppets never see their strings though.

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