Who's balance sheet is this going to go on, do you think?

Going beyond GDP by taking into account the value of natural capital when measuring progress.

Privatizing profit and socializing costs as usual.

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Planet under Pressure conference, London: Final statement
Scientists issued the first "State of the Planet" declaration at a major gathering of experts on global environmental and social issues in advance of the major UN Summit Rio+20 in June.

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  1. Rob Taylor says:

    Can "natural capital" keep the big city you live in running? Or do you need to start generating real wealth and stop looking to old wealth for redistribution. Here's a hint – a flock of chickens can support you and give you extra eggs/meat to sell. The UN's pronouncements can only divide what little you already have.

  2. Chris George says:

    +Rob Taylor Populations in the hinterland keeps a big city running. Sometimes they decide that that is not such a great idea for them. This is why violence and civilization are never found apart.

    Costing in the environment into our calculations would cut profit and address most of our environmental woes. Therefore, it won't happen.

  3. Rob Taylor says:

    Populations in the hinterlands CAN"T keep the cities running. The average age of a farmer in America is 58, there are more poly sci grads than ag school grads and we put five out of every ten rows of corn into fuel. Urbanization requires ever smaller portions of a society to produce more and more for people who produce nothing. Ths is clearly unsustainable and cutting profit as you say makes people who work hard less like to continue to be one of the slaves who produce food for people who do nothing for them. I give you my personal gaurentee that every major city in north America will have food riots in the next decade and no policy, left or right, will change that.

  4. Chris George says:

    +Rob Taylor I would agree with you.

    I live on 4 1/3 acres out in the middle of nowhere with livestock, chickens and a big ass garden.

    Populations in the hinterlands, whose resources are required to keep the cities fed, heated and functional, rarely agree that the cities need should trump their interests, as in not wanting the land base they rely on for their sustenance to be destroyed. They are removed by force, a process that continues to this day in Indonesia and Amazonia. I live less than 5 miles from a First Nation. 683 people with un-extinguished aboriginal title to 1/23rd of the province I live in. The resources that our "civilization" have appropriated from them was taken at gunpoint in many cases.

  5. Rob Taylor says:

    And your gov't may take your by force if you promote their ability to nationalize. Freedom is the answer to most problems. Allowing the gov't power over you will destroy your life.

  6. Chris George says:

    Preaching to the choir.

    I am a Left-Libertarian. A position I arrived at through study and constant evaluation of first principles. A government with so little power that no self respecting psychopath would have anything to do with it is a goal. Big government always leads to tyranny. But also a more local, decentralized and less concentrated economy. The tyranny of big capital is to be avoided as readily as the tyranny of big government. Bullets don't care who is paying for them. Mix more democratic principals into our economy by giving the people who work more say in the organizations they work in. Make shareholders far more responsible for the activities of the corporations by eliminating the concept of limited liability, forcing corporations to get smaller and more local, as shareholders would not invest in corporations that they could not monitor closely. And finally, remove the government edict that allows the monopoly of private ownership of land, leading to equal access to resources which leads to equal access to opportunity and the creation of wealth.

    Any economic scheme that requires government is flawed. The economy must stand alone. Big government and the regulations inherent simply distort the market. Government protection of monopoly in land does the same.

  7. Rob Taylor says:

    We agree on much – though I'm a philosophical Republican (not just a GOP member) in that I believe the tyranny of the majority must be constrained. I'm Bi-racial and grew up in an all Black area. I learned an appreciation for constraint on the mob when Black Nationalists started calling for me to be killed – when I was 7.

  8. Chris George says:

    +Rob Taylor I am 1/8 Cree.

    Tyranny of the majority must be constrained, but to do so you must remove what the authoritarian left uses as their mantra for big government and that is concentrations of capital.

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